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president obama and the first lady will travel to south africa for nelson mandela's memorial service next week. >> hello, welcome no al jazeera america, i'm morgan radford live from new york city. reinforcements on the town in trying to end the violence. nearly 400 people have been killed in the fighting in the past three days. france is dispatching more than 1,000 troops and the african union plans to double its forces. 10,000 have fled the capital. officials ordered everyone off the streets of bangui. for the latest on the crisis we start in bangui. a warning - you may find some of these images disturbing. >> french soldiers on food patrol in bangui. this is new to the city and welcomeded by men. they are here to reassure people enough to open up shops. at the moment there's no food or medicine. there's little the french can do about the growing sectarian violence between muslims and christians. >> translation: we muslims have been here for 200 years. they are killing us every day. anti-balaka christians killed more than 200. >> this is where many christiansar sheltering, close to
president obama and the first lady will travel to south africa for nelson mandela's memorial service next week. >> hello, welcome no al jazeera america, i'm morgan radford live from new york city. reinforcements on the town in trying to end the violence. nearly 400 people have been killed in the fighting in the past three days. france is dispatching more than 1,000 troops and the african union plans to double its forces. 10,000 have fled the capital. officials ordered everyone off the...
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barack obama met nelson mandela in 2005, when barack obama was a senator. after one term as president nelson mandela stepped down. he did not slow his pace. his charitable foundation raised money for a number of causes. >> when south africa hosted the world cup tournament in 2010, he made his last public appearance. the crowd honoured him to thunderous ovation. >> his third wife, graca machel, former first lady of mozambique, was at his side during prostate cancer and lingering lung infections. >> never and never again shall it be that this beautiful land will again experience the oppression of one by another. and suffer the indignity of being the skunk of the world. the sun never set on so glorious a human achievement. let freedom rain. god bless africa. >> nelson mandela, an enduring father of the new south africa dead at 95. >> nelson mandela's life work extended behind the native south africa. we sat with civil rights leader the reverend jessie jackson, and he drew parallels with his movement and the struggle in the u.s. >> there was a sameness about th
barack obama met nelson mandela in 2005, when barack obama was a senator. after one term as president nelson mandela stepped down. he did not slow his pace. his charitable foundation raised money for a number of causes. >> when south africa hosted the world cup tournament in 2010, he made his last public appearance. the crowd honoured him to thunderous ovation. >> his third wife, graca machel, former first lady of mozambique, was at his side during prostate cancer and lingering lung...
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president obama met nelson mandela in 2005 and will travel to south africa to attend memorial services. he'll be joined by former presidents bill clinton and george bush. >> 2013 is poised to be the best year for hire since 2005, before the recession. year low and is at 7%.l to a of the u.s. economy gained more jobs than it expected, adding 203,000 positions just last month. the gains were low spread in low and high-earning positions. mike viqueira has more from the white house. >> new unemployment figures are good news for the white house, they've been waiting for this for some time, and whether it matters economically or to many people, millions out of work and those what have given up looking for work. it's good news for the barack obama administration. with unemployment insurance to expire for 1.3 million if condepress doesn't act by the end. month, the white house is stuck in an ironic situation. they are arguing for an end to the cut if growth improves, gdp, in the last court, and down to 7% on friday, the lowest in five years. the administration says unemployment insurance has t
president obama met nelson mandela in 2005 and will travel to south africa to attend memorial services. he'll be joined by former presidents bill clinton and george bush. >> 2013 is poised to be the best year for hire since 2005, before the recession. year low and is at 7%.l to a of the u.s. economy gained more jobs than it expected, adding 203,000 positions just last month. the gains were low spread in low and high-earning positions. mike viqueira has more from the white house. >>...
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obama meant nelson mandela in 2005. former presidents clinton and bush will also attend next week. >> 21 women were convicted of taking part in a protest supporting former president mohamed morsi's reinstatement in july. 14 were handed 11-year gaol terms. the minors were sentenced to juvenile detention. supporters of the government and their sentences were handed down in the same week as a restricted new protest law. bernard smith is in cairo for the latest. >> do the young women stand a chance of winning an appeal? >> good morning. the appeal hearings have finished in cairo. the judge have gone into recess, there are two separate courts. seven of those are classed as girls, two as young as 15. in the other court the other 14 women aged between 17 and 18. as you say. hands down hefty sentences, 11 years for being involvement in a protest. some were passing at the time. the intrim president. such was the backlash of the sentences, even from people who don't like the muslim brotherhood. the judicial process must be gone t
obama meant nelson mandela in 2005. former presidents clinton and bush will also attend next week. >> 21 women were convicted of taking part in a protest supporting former president mohamed morsi's reinstatement in july. 14 were handed 11-year gaol terms. the minors were sentenced to juvenile detention. supporters of the government and their sentences were handed down in the same week as a restricted new protest law. bernard smith is in cairo for the latest. >> do the young women...
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obama has said that nelson mandela was one of his heroes. i think it is fair to say that president obama is a hero to many of the south africans. they see in him something like some of what nelson mandela was like. a nation as large and powerful as the united states is. they see that in president obama. >> president obama is shaking many of these world leaders and dignitaries and shaking the hand of raul castro and others. >> on sunday, when we were at the kennedy center, i saw some people were the white house. they said, we aren't sure if president obama will be speaking on sunday night but certainly by monday, yesterday, we knew he was part of the program and they had a speech ready just in case. it is interesting to point out since bill said, president obama was cheered when he arrived and president zuma, president of the country, was booed. that's a very interesting dynamic. >> this is a famous gospel song. >> let me hear you. ♪ >> it doesn't matter what happens, my life is in your hands. >> that's a very, very famous song. ♪ lord, i
obama has said that nelson mandela was one of his heroes. i think it is fair to say that president obama is a hero to many of the south africans. they see in him something like some of what nelson mandela was like. a nation as large and powerful as the united states is. they see that in president obama. >> president obama is shaking many of these world leaders and dignitaries and shaking the hand of raul castro and others. >> on sunday, when we were at the kennedy center, i saw some...
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nelson mandela's ex-wife winnie attended a church service. president obama, george w. bush and clinton will travel to south africa for memorial services. >> we go to our correspondent at the soweto church where services wrapped up. what is significant about this church? these are some of the church members in the church listening to the service. this building was a lot of things to many people. up therefore on the painting on the wall is the painting of a great activist. we have nelson mandela, and archbishop desmond tutu. during apartheid students running from the police used to come in and hide. there were occasions that police would come in and shoot them, and several have died in this building. it's an emotional time, an historical place. it shows how far the country has come. >> you mentioned people cowering in the church. what are religious leaders saying today about madeba's passing. >> the message is simple. it was think about the good things and learn from him. one thing was be a good person. the police were saying for example, share a meal with a friend. sit,
nelson mandela's ex-wife winnie attended a church service. president obama, george w. bush and clinton will travel to south africa for memorial services. >> we go to our correspondent at the soweto church where services wrapped up. what is significant about this church? these are some of the church members in the church listening to the service. this building was a lot of things to many people. up therefore on the painting on the wall is the painting of a great activist. we have nelson...
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obama has said that nelson mandela was one of his heroes. i think it is fair to say that president obama is a hero to many of the south africans. they see in him something like some of what nelson mandela was like. a nation as large and powerful as the united states is. they see that in president obama. >> president obama is shaking many of these world leaders and dignitaries and shaking the hand of raul castro and others. >> on sunday, when we were at the kennedy center, i saw some who wrote the biography, mandela's way. and you can watch streaming video of mandela's memorial service on cbs news.com. that's the cbs news for this tuesday, i'm ann marie green. have a great day. arrived and president zuma, president of the country, was booed. that's a very interesting dynamic. >> this is a famous gospel song, and i'm frank mallicoat time is 4-- here >>> good morning everyone, it's tuesday, december 10th. i'm michelle griego. >> hi everyone, i'm frank mallicoat. nearly 4:30 on your tuesday and lout the door and -- out with door with a little tr
obama has said that nelson mandela was one of his heroes. i think it is fair to say that president obama is a hero to many of the south africans. they see in him something like some of what nelson mandela was like. a nation as large and powerful as the united states is. they see that in president obama. >> president obama is shaking many of these world leaders and dignitaries and shaking the hand of raul castro and others. >> on sunday, when we were at the kennedy center, i saw some...
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they will be joining president obama at the memorial service for nelson mandela. you pose problems for all of the does not sound like you. more than 20 lawmakers on their way for the memorial service. they should be back by wednesday. we expect if there is a budget deal, it would happen by late tomorrow. subject should happen later. it should not cause a big problem. rex phil mattingly joining us tonight. a victory for wall street, regulators will not require ceos to confirm they are complying with the vockel rule according to people familiar with tell us the wording will be a relief to who werek executives concerned they would have to personally guarantee and their firms were in compliance. instead, they would have to sign off on having policies and systems in place. five agencies are set to approve. the mostation is among complex and controversial arising from the dodd frank act in 2010 to overhaul the banking crisis. to the credit the congressional health care clock is ticking. biting into the day, lawmakers need to enroll in a plan under obama care or risk los
they will be joining president obama at the memorial service for nelson mandela. you pose problems for all of the does not sound like you. more than 20 lawmakers on their way for the memorial service. they should be back by wednesday. we expect if there is a budget deal, it would happen by late tomorrow. subject should happen later. it should not cause a big problem. rex phil mattingly joining us tonight. a victory for wall street, regulators will not require ceos to confirm they are complying...
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kennedy, martin luther king, nelson mandela, and barack obama. one person said, why have obama's picture up there? what has he done for africa? what has he done as president? and in a beautiful south african accent, she said patience, my brother. patience. we endured white influence for 300 years, white rule for 300 years. apartheid for years. give the brother time. we know the power of patience in south africa. give the brother time. >> and it appears the crowd, baron pitts, is not going to -- going to listen. they want to keep on singing. >> without question. in the hallway, groups of a dozen, 30 -- young people mostly were brought into the hallway, danced, paraded and sang songs. the elders are a bit more respectful of the program. they are having none of it. they're here to celebrate nelson mandela, celebrate as people told us time and time again, this rainbow nation of the new south africa. >> let's go back to the chair of the african commission, the speaker immediately preceding president obama. >> lihis relationship with all humanity, he s
kennedy, martin luther king, nelson mandela, and barack obama. one person said, why have obama's picture up there? what has he done for africa? what has he done as president? and in a beautiful south african accent, she said patience, my brother. patience. we endured white influence for 300 years, white rule for 300 years. apartheid for years. give the brother time. we know the power of patience in south africa. give the brother time. >> and it appears the crowd, baron pitts, is not going...
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leaders today, president obama says nelson mandela was his inspiration. >> today, he's gone home we've lost one of the most influential, and pro foundly good human beings that any of us will share time with on this earth. he no longer belongs to us. he belongs to the ages. >> president obama is expected to travel to south after rick why for the funeral. >> this is a scene just minutes ago in south africa. a crowd gathered outside of nelson mandel' home. some have put on the south african flag during this remembrance. >> the impact on his country cannot be overstated nor can the legacy he leaves behind for the world and bay area. >> dan, nelson mandela felt he had a true connection with san francisco and the bay area. and you're right.
leaders today, president obama says nelson mandela was his inspiration. >> today, he's gone home we've lost one of the most influential, and pro foundly good human beings that any of us will share time with on this earth. he no longer belongs to us. he belongs to the ages. >> president obama is expected to travel to south after rick why for the funeral. >> this is a scene just minutes ago in south africa. a crowd gathered outside of nelson mandel' home. some have put on the...
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. >> again, we are waiting to hear from president obama on the passing of nelson mandela. our coverage continues throughout the evening and again on www.nbcwashington.com. >>> new at 5:00, tonight, we are hearing from one of the world's richest women who caused a deadly crash in northern virginia. >> 74-year-old jacqueline mars, co-owner of mars candy company pleaded guilty to reckless driving. julie carey reports it was the victim's relatives who spared mars from going to prison. >> reporter: these photos show the horrifying aftermath of what prosecutors say was a tragic accident on the afternoon of october 4th. a porsche suv crossed the center line of route 50 and struck a van carrying a family from texas who had come for a wedding. a van passenger, 86-year-old was killed instantly and the van's driver who was eight months pregnant lost her baby. today, inside a courtroom, that family asked for mercy for jacqueline mars. >> what we saw here today was the great moment in human forgiveness and compassion. >>reporter: news 4 reported mars told a rescuer she had fallen aslee
. >> again, we are waiting to hear from president obama on the passing of nelson mandela. our coverage continues throughout the evening and again on www.nbcwashington.com. >>> new at 5:00, tonight, we are hearing from one of the world's richest women who caused a deadly crash in northern virginia. >> 74-year-old jacqueline mars, co-owner of mars candy company pleaded guilty to reckless driving. julie carey reports it was the victim's relatives who spared mars from going to...
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. >> all right, back now to our top story, in tuesday's memorial for nelson mandela, barack obama gave us one of the days most memorable images, this is him shaking hands with cuba's leader recall castro. america has not had formal diplomatic relations with cuba since 1959. joining us to talk about this, a contributor with the daily beast, and is live from washington, d.c. and a good to have you on al jazeera, certainly one of the strongest images of the day, and obama shaking hands and even exchanging a few words. first off, how is this being viewed? is it stirring any drove? >> maybe a little bit in the twitter universes, but the days of the real aminty between the u.s. and cuba is behind us. president obama carries florida in the last election, i think he even carried the cuban american vote. because the younger generations don't feel the hostile feelings towards the cast drove brothers. some people would hope that the empargo would be ended before this president leaves office. i wouldn't bet on that, necessarily. but president obama has taken steps to ease travel to cuba, and to ma
. >> all right, back now to our top story, in tuesday's memorial for nelson mandela, barack obama gave us one of the days most memorable images, this is him shaking hands with cuba's leader recall castro. america has not had formal diplomatic relations with cuba since 1959. joining us to talk about this, a contributor with the daily beast, and is live from washington, d.c. and a good to have you on al jazeera, certainly one of the strongest images of the day, and obama shaking hands and...
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for the memorial of nelson mandela. >>> plus, more dead pilot whales in florida. the man who snoozed got trapped on a plane. and miley cyrus does the unthinkable to santa. "early today" starts right now. >> announcer: this is "early today" for monday, december 9th. >>> good morning. i'm richard lui. we start with weather for you. that massive winterer weather system moving east and the car pileup. nbc's leanne gregg has more on the deep freeze. >> reporter: snow and ice bearing down this morning in the northeast, part of a massive system affecting half the country. that same system sunday in wisconsin caused a deadly pileup in whiteout conditions and shut down interstate 94. >> to the best of my knowledge, there is probably in excess of seven semis and 30-plus vehicles. >> it was bad, like you could barely see on the road. >> reporter: ice made driving impossible in parts of kentucky. >> i can deal with snow all day long but when it comes to freezing rain i don't even want to touch it. >> reporter: across the nation, airports canceled 3,000 flights. snow so heavy
for the memorial of nelson mandela. >>> plus, more dead pilot whales in florida. the man who snoozed got trapped on a plane. and miley cyrus does the unthinkable to santa. "early today" starts right now. >> announcer: this is "early today" for monday, december 9th. >>> good morning. i'm richard lui. we start with weather for you. that massive winterer weather system moving east and the car pileup. nbc's leanne gregg has more on the deep freeze....
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president obama will speak. he met nelson mandela at a washington d.c. hotel in 2005 when he was a senator. bill clinton, george w. bush and jimmy carter also part of delegation. >> david cameron, hamid karzai, steven harper. ban ki-moon, will people, and former general secretary kofi annan. prince charles is representing the throne. we'll have more from south africa with ali velshi who is on the ground. men american forces are being called on. chuck hagel is ordering the u.s. military to transport troops. 400 have been killed in fighting between christians and muslim groups. we go to the capital where the french troops are diffusing the crisis. looking like a muslim here can make you a target. the man dressed in white is surrounded by local christians. they say he's a seleka general. they want to kill him. he says he's a local businessman. the french intervene ordering people to move away. they arrest a muslim man taking him away. in another suburb of the city a man is carried to safety. he's been stabbed. locals accuse him of being part of anti-balaka.
president obama will speak. he met nelson mandela at a washington d.c. hotel in 2005 when he was a senator. bill clinton, george w. bush and jimmy carter also part of delegation. >> david cameron, hamid karzai, steven harper. ban ki-moon, will people, and former general secretary kofi annan. prince charles is representing the throne. we'll have more from south africa with ali velshi who is on the ground. men american forces are being called on. chuck hagel is ordering the u.s. military to...
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that's how president obama refers to nelson mandela. a man he met some eight years ago at a meeting here in washington, d.c. when obama was still a freshman senator from illinois. yesterday he spoke out about mande mandela's impact on his life. >> the day he was released from prison gave me a sense of what human beings can do when guided by their hopes and not by their fears. and like so many around the globe, i cannot fully imagine my own life without the example that nelson mandela set. >> joining me now is rick strength am. he collaborated on the ought buy all offy of nelson mandela. and also the author of mandela's ways on life, love and courage. thanks for joining us. the president will be heading over to south africa to pay his respects and america ago respects to nelson mandela. what should we be paying attention to? >> wolf, i think every world leader, including president obama wants to borrow a little bit from the halo of nelson mandela. but in the case of president obama, knicksed-race president, a man whose fare was from the
that's how president obama refers to nelson mandela. a man he met some eight years ago at a meeting here in washington, d.c. when obama was still a freshman senator from illinois. yesterday he spoke out about mande mandela's impact on his life. >> the day he was released from prison gave me a sense of what human beings can do when guided by their hopes and not by their fears. and like so many around the globe, i cannot fully imagine my own life without the example that nelson mandela set....
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barack obama could be controversial. he mentioned in a tribute to nelson mandela that he was a hum fluence, and is obviously one of the high profile statesman, perhaps it is fitting that he speaks. as far as the u.n. secretary-general, obviously that is almost a no-brainer in a way. but, yes, i don't know - i don't know the controversy surrounding others. i think that the selection of speakers is quite a good reflection on nelson mandela's time in office. it would be nice to see more south africans, perhaps, that would be possible my only criticism of the speakers. >> editor of "the south africa." thank you very much indeed. >> now, most people think of oil drilling as a capital-intensive job undertaken by corporations. in myanmar it's luring thousands of poor people from the countryside. >> it's 19th century technology, combined with 21st century entrepreneursh entrepreneurship. this is a farm ir turned prospector lured to the oil pits by the thought of easy money >> translation: when i heard about it i dreamt of striki
barack obama could be controversial. he mentioned in a tribute to nelson mandela that he was a hum fluence, and is obviously one of the high profile statesman, perhaps it is fitting that he speaks. as far as the u.n. secretary-general, obviously that is almost a no-brainer in a way. but, yes, i don't know - i don't know the controversy surrounding others. i think that the selection of speakers is quite a good reflection on nelson mandela's time in office. it would be nice to see more south...
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we all were involved. >> we can sense the profound effect that nelson mandela had on president obama just watching him speak a few moments ago, saying he was a man guided by hopes and not fears. we can hear a lot of when barack obama, the president of the united states, that was nelson mandela. >> i think this president has tried against odds to model reconciliation. he turned the other cheek too many times for some of our progressive allies. you do see in his somberness and sadness there, the sense that he drew a lot of courage and lessons from nelson mandela. a lot of us coming of age after the civil rights movement and after the anti-water movement, that's what you did when you were on the left. it was successful and we were part of a global movement. there were a lot of setbacks and being there in the anxiety of reagan, it was not always clear what to do. you do small things when you can. >> let's go back to andrea mitchell. clearly moved by the impact and certainly heart felt by the impact. the impact he had on the world. i thought it was clear to the president. >> this was a mo
we all were involved. >> we can sense the profound effect that nelson mandela had on president obama just watching him speak a few moments ago, saying he was a man guided by hopes and not fears. we can hear a lot of when barack obama, the president of the united states, that was nelson mandela. >> i think this president has tried against odds to model reconciliation. he turned the other cheek too many times for some of our progressive allies. you do see in his somberness and sadness...
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bush arrive to attend the memorial for nelson mandela with a moving tribute president obama paid to the leader. >> the federal hearing into asiana flight 214 crash at sfo scheduled to get underway right now is postponed. we will tell you why. >> good morning at 6:00. we start the morning with bart news. >> service between san francisco and dublin is moving normally now at this hour after passengers faced early morning delays. amy hollyfield has more on what is happening from the east bay. amy? >> kristen, more bart problems. what happened was there was a power outage at the daly city station and no train could get from the city to dublin and this station here in san leandro became a key player in this problem. they were bringing passengers here and they were taking them to dublin. so, it cause some delays and it was a round about way to get from one point to another and now the power is back on and life is returning to normal on bart but it will take time to get back to normal so expect residual delays. you have a bigger problem if you are just about to leave the house. >> there are res
bush arrive to attend the memorial for nelson mandela with a moving tribute president obama paid to the leader. >> the federal hearing into asiana flight 214 crash at sfo scheduled to get underway right now is postponed. we will tell you why. >> good morning at 6:00. we start the morning with bart news. >> service between san francisco and dublin is moving normally now at this hour after passengers faced early morning delays. amy hollyfield has more on what is happening from...
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president obama, reacting to the death of nelson mandela, who died today at the age of 95. of nelsontatue mandela, just outside of the south african embassy under reconstruction right now. there it is. for years, and doug will robinson used to lead protest against apartheid up there on massachusetts avenue, for years. and to have imagined then one day outside that embassy there would be a statue of nelson would be pretty much -- it would defy the imagination, i think. a remarkable man. when he ascended to the he led the fight for the reconciliation of the races in south africa. he and bishop desmond tutu as well, it is meant to to bringing to south africa the truth and reconciliation mission, the idea that we have to forgive if not forget. ande're going to get along have this nation at peace and harmony. iq 96, the south african parliament approved a new national constitution that included a new bill of rights, guaranteeing protections. south africans could never imagine such a thing to stop south africa the first nation in the world to have the rights of gays and constitut
president obama, reacting to the death of nelson mandela, who died today at the age of 95. of nelsontatue mandela, just outside of the south african embassy under reconstruction right now. there it is. for years, and doug will robinson used to lead protest against apartheid up there on massachusetts avenue, for years. and to have imagined then one day outside that embassy there would be a statue of nelson would be pretty much -- it would defy the imagination, i think. a remarkable man. when he...
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president obama reflects on nelson mandela. julianna goldman and heidi przybla join us. will they get a budget deal by the end of next week? >> both sides are optimistic. you have to look at where they started out. they started out with a very narrow amount of options. what we are talking about is that that list has narrowed more. it is not necessarily getting easier with those smaller items. specifically the democrats are , raising concerns about what will happen to federal employees. >> if they do get a deal, it would be a pretty small deal. the politics are important as opposed to the fiscal or economic impact. >> it will be a very small deal. >> the range we were told they started out with was $50 billion-$100 billion. we are being told that that might be whittled down so much that they might not get anything more than a patch deal for about one year. that is very small. that leaves a lot to be dealt with. >> what is the white house doing? why does the white house care? >> it avoids another shutdown. while the republicans came out of the last shutdown looking pretty
president obama reflects on nelson mandela. julianna goldman and heidi przybla join us. will they get a budget deal by the end of next week? >> both sides are optimistic. you have to look at where they started out. they started out with a very narrow amount of options. what we are talking about is that that list has narrowed more. it is not necessarily getting easier with those smaller items. specifically the democrats are , raising concerns about what will happen to federal employees....
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president obama paid a very moving tribute to nelson mandela from the white house. we're going to hear what the president of the united states had to say. and i'll talk live to the daughter of dr. martin luther king jr. sharing her memories of nelson mandela. but first, the words of mandela himself on the day of his release after 27 years in prison. >> i have fought against white domination. [ cheers ] >> and i have fought against black domination. [ cheers ] >> i have cherished the idea of a democrat ic and fair society n which all persons live together in harmony. life with crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis is a daily game of "what if's". what if my abdominal pain and cramps end our night before it even starts? what if i eat the wrong thing? what if? what if i suddenly have to go? what if? but what if the most important question is the one you're not asking? what if the underlying cause of your symptoms is damaging inflammation? for help getting the answers you need, talk to your doctor and visit crohnsandcolitisadvocates.com to connect with a patient advocate
president obama paid a very moving tribute to nelson mandela from the white house. we're going to hear what the president of the united states had to say. and i'll talk live to the daughter of dr. martin luther king jr. sharing her memories of nelson mandela. but first, the words of mandela himself on the day of his release after 27 years in prison. >> i have fought against white domination. [ cheers ] >> and i have fought against black domination. [ cheers ] >> i have...
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this was a personal moment for barack obama who talked about the influence of nelson mandela when he was a young man. >> reporter: that's right, john. it was just huge. president obama was 19 years old when he first got involved with the anti-apartheid movement. the first time he gave what being call a political speech was back in 1981. he was a sophomore at occidental college when he spoke out against apartheid. for president obama, nelson mandela was a personal hero and personal idol who struggled his earliest ambitions. >> i am one of the first who grew inspiration from nelson mandela's life. my first political action, the first thing i ever did that involved an issue of policy or politics was a protest against apartheid. >> reporter: they met in person only briefly in 2005 before obama became president. the two leaders, each standing in history as the first black president of his nation, spoke occasionally by phone. president obama penned the forward for mandela's 2010 memoir "conversations with myself." he wrote his example helped awakened me to the wider world and the obligatio
this was a personal moment for barack obama who talked about the influence of nelson mandela when he was a young man. >> reporter: that's right, john. it was just huge. president obama was 19 years old when he first got involved with the anti-apartheid movement. the first time he gave what being call a political speech was back in 1981. he was a sophomore at occidental college when he spoke out against apartheid. for president obama, nelson mandela was a personal hero and personal idol...
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but if need be, it is an ideal -- >> president obama quoting nelson mandela in this morning's memorial service in south africa. the president talked about at length the example mandela set. with us now, the head of the column for the paper. came of age during mandela's remarkable rise, she's covered civil rights throughout her career. we're pleased to have both of you. so today in terms of the mandela that you know, what resinated most in terms of what president obama said? >> to me, i think the strongest part of the message is that i heard today is that mandela really taught people how to have hope in the face of adversity, in the face of not really hav g having -- seeing any signals of hope around you, continuing to believe you can craft social change. >> and to figure out a way to make your enemy your friend. there's power in that. what did you think of the president's speech? >> i thought it was an excellent speech. and there were a couple of points he said have gone underemphasized this week. one was that mandela wasn't a saint, he was a politician. a brilliant politician. and sou
but if need be, it is an ideal -- >> president obama quoting nelson mandela in this morning's memorial service in south africa. the president talked about at length the example mandela set. with us now, the head of the column for the paper. came of age during mandela's remarkable rise, she's covered civil rights throughout her career. we're pleased to have both of you. so today in terms of the mandela that you know, what resinated most in terms of what president obama said? >> to...
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ma now president obama of course met with nelson mandela. in 2006, as a senator. barack obama went to south africa, he visited rock bib island, and then just last summer, he was in south africa unable to meet face to face with nelson mandela, because of the leaders ailing health. he did meet with his family, he came away very move bid the experience. another thing that president obama comes back to over and over again, if you look at the literature, what he has written and said about his relationship and now he looks up to him, the way he behaves when he was removed to prison, instead of retribution and revenge against those that held him captive, he embraced them. you know i am really struck by number of things -- especially african-americans and nelson mandela. and you can sort of feel it in the words of the president of the united states. s there a sense about the relationship that president obama has said with this man? >> well, i think in the brief time -- and they have only met once. but obviously the resonance between these two men, t
ma now president obama of course met with nelson mandela. in 2006, as a senator. barack obama went to south africa, he visited rock bib island, and then just last summer, he was in south africa unable to meet face to face with nelson mandela, because of the leaders ailing health. he did meet with his family, he came away very move bid the experience. another thing that president obama comes back to over and over again, if you look at the literature, what he has written and said about his...
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once again, president obama will be addressing the nation about the death of president nelson mandela. 20 minutes past the hour. more next on "taking stock." >> breaking news from bloomberg. this is "taking stock" on bloomberg. i am pimm fox. nelson mandela, former president of south africa has died at the age of 95. nelson mandela was the leader of his country. he became president in 1994. joining us now via telephone from johannesburg is bloomberg wilde. l reporter franz what is the move there? >> we can say very little because it is the middle of the night. midnight.t gone i have just driven through johannesburg and there is really nobody out and about. zuma was say is that very somber when he appeared on tv just a few moments ago. everyone is incredibly sad. this is a moment that south africans have been preparing for, for a long time. lmost the last 12 months there has been an almost daily expectation they may come. >> you have been reporting from south africa for four years. when you look at those four years, what role has mandela played in people's image of their country? >> ma
once again, president obama will be addressing the nation about the death of president nelson mandela. 20 minutes past the hour. more next on "taking stock." >> breaking news from bloomberg. this is "taking stock" on bloomberg. i am pimm fox. nelson mandela, former president of south africa has died at the age of 95. nelson mandela was the leader of his country. he became president in 1994. joining us now via telephone from johannesburg is bloomberg wilde. l reporter...
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but i think what's important to remember is that nelson mandela, barack obama, barack obama himself has often said we stand on the shoulders of giants, and today he praised the shoulders of nelson mandela. but nelson mandela stood on the shoulders of giants, albert latuli who was the first african to win a nobel prize for doing the same kind of thing that nelson mandela did. so i think what's important for this moment is to cherish this moment but to ensure that the lessons of these giants on whose shoulders we all stand get told time and time again, because one day isn't going to do it. it's not going to do it here in south africa where there are myriad problems in this young, almost 20-year-old democracy. it's not going to happen in america or anywhere else in the world until we understand that history and understand what all of those giants, culminating with nelson mandela, were trying to teach us. >> thank you so much for being with us today. >>> it's round two for snow for residents from baltimore to boston this morning. schools were closed throughout the mid-atlantic, even before
but i think what's important to remember is that nelson mandela, barack obama, barack obama himself has often said we stand on the shoulders of giants, and today he praised the shoulders of nelson mandela. but nelson mandela stood on the shoulders of giants, albert latuli who was the first african to win a nobel prize for doing the same kind of thing that nelson mandela did. so i think what's important for this moment is to cherish this moment but to ensure that the lessons of these giants on...
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the breaking news is that president obama will be speaking on former south african president, nelson mandela's death. we will bring you that on the other side of this break. that's next. >> we are awaiting president obama to make a speech on the passing of former south african president, nelson mandela. john, what should we expect here? >> melissa, i think you can expect the president to speak with deep emotion about the passing of this leader and what it has meant to him and he recently took his daughters to africa and i believe they went to robben island to see the cell where nelson mandela was held. that was a moving moment for this and of course nelson mandela is watched throughout his lifetime as the struggle against apartheid reached fruition. when he was still in law school, he had been at robben island, president of south africa. all said they expect that the president will attend nelson mandela's funeral. >> global history for that matter of nelson mandela being the first black president of south africa and barack obama first black president of the united states. >> there is
the breaking news is that president obama will be speaking on former south african president, nelson mandela's death. we will bring you that on the other side of this break. that's next. >> we are awaiting president obama to make a speech on the passing of former south african president, nelson mandela. john, what should we expect here? >> melissa, i think you can expect the president to speak with deep emotion about the passing of this leader and what it has meant to him and he...
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service from nelson mandela. hitching a ride on air force one th the president and michele obama, former president george w. bush and former secretary of state, hillary clinton. bill clinton and jimmy carter also expected to attend the memorial but they are traveling separately. and a collection of troubling new obamacareevelopments tonight. the architect of the president's health care law moing along substantially when it comes to the president's impetus and false declaration that we could keep our doctors if we wanted to. here is ezekiel emanuel on fox news sunday. >> didn't they s if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor? >> yes. >> but if you want to pay more, you can do that. this is a matter of choice. andif yo want to, you can pay for it. lou: he would be called an elitist for his remarks if he were a republican, so h gets away with it as a liberal. "the wall street journal" reporting that lower income individuals may be able to report on obamacare plans, but not the astronomical deductibles that
service from nelson mandela. hitching a ride on air force one th the president and michele obama, former president george w. bush and former secretary of state, hillary clinton. bill clinton and jimmy carter also expected to attend the memorial but they are traveling separately. and a collection of troubling new obamacareevelopments tonight. the architect of the president's health care law moing along substantially when it comes to the president's impetus and false declaration that we could...
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let's listen to what obama had to say. >> we will not see the likes of nelson mandela again. it falls to us as best we can for the example that we set, to make decisions guided not by hate, but love, to never discount conditions, to strive for a future that is worthy of his sacrifice. for now, let us pause and give thanks for the fact that nelson mandela lived. a man who took history in his hands and bent the arc of morelness in justice. >> president obama added that he cannot imagine what his life would be without the example nelson mandela set. we understand that it's expected that president obama will attend the funeral in south africa. >> thank you very much. tom, i want to go back to our shot out of johannesburg and listen in to the celebration that conditions to break out. [ singing ] >> there has been tremendous reaction around the world and in the united states. former president george w. bush was president on the day in 1980 when nelson mandela walked free. he and barbara bush released a statement saying: >> i want to bring in congressman charlie ranble joining us fr
let's listen to what obama had to say. >> we will not see the likes of nelson mandela again. it falls to us as best we can for the example that we set, to make decisions guided not by hate, but love, to never discount conditions, to strive for a future that is worthy of his sacrifice. for now, let us pause and give thanks for the fact that nelson mandela lived. a man who took history in his hands and bent the arc of morelness in justice. >> president obama added that he cannot...
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president obama has talked often about nelson mandela. there are several members of congress who on more than one occasion have talked about mandela and the impact he has had not just on politics and life in south africa, but on politics around the world, even here in this country. a nobel peace prize winner. someone who the anti-apartheid movement here in the united states looked to when he was in prison in robin island and other places. his release in 1990 and going on to become the leader of south africa. lot of lessons to be learned from his life. i am waiting word not only from the white house, but the congress and their reaction to the deaths of nelson man -- mandela. >> you did some reporting on president obama's south african trip, where president obama was very mindful of mr. mandela's health. remind the viewers of what president obama did when he went to south africa several months ago? >> well, again, i wasn't on that trip, but there was oncern, some talk even then. nelson mandela was in failing health at that time. that perhap
president obama has talked often about nelson mandela. there are several members of congress who on more than one occasion have talked about mandela and the impact he has had not just on politics and life in south africa, but on politics around the world, even here in this country. a nobel peace prize winner. someone who the anti-apartheid movement here in the united states looked to when he was in prison in robin island and other places. his release in 1990 and going on to become the leader of...
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. >>> president obama eulogized nelson mandela. and the handshake that raised some eyebrows. that is next. test test test test test test test test >>> president obama is urging the world to embrace nelson mandela's universal message of peace and justice. the president was one of nearly 100 world leaders in south africa today to remember one of the political icons of the 20th century. senior foreign affairs correspondents is in south africa tonight. >> it was one of the biggest memorial in recent decades. heads of government and celebrities from around the world came to pay respects do nelson mandela at a massive gathering. >> i welcome all of you. >> they joined tens of thousands of south africans who converged on a huge soccer stadium in johannesberg. the crowds were smaller than expected. those who came were enthusiastic. >> we are celebrating our father who led us out of oppression. >> u.n. secretary banky moon. >> we join together for a mighty celebration of a mighty life. >> president obama seemed to get the most attention, greeting on his way to the podium, long time ad
. >>> president obama eulogized nelson mandela. and the handshake that raised some eyebrows. that is next. test test test test test test test test >>> president obama is urging the world to embrace nelson mandela's universal message of peace and justice. the president was one of nearly 100 world leaders in south africa today to remember one of the political icons of the 20th century. senior foreign affairs correspondents is in south africa tonight. >> it was one of the...
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president obama honored his legacy. >> nelson mandela taught us the power of action and ideas. the response of of reason and argument, and the reason to study those would you agree with and those who you do not agree. >> 90 countries glue -- sent in representatives from argentina to being pakistan. memorials large and small to the man who triumphed over apartheid. >> the morning cries but we must celebrate the life of a great leader. >> after today's memorial his body will lie in state for three days before he is buried if his childhood village on sunday. >> san francisco firefighters are getting the upper hand on a recycling plant fire that has been burning near candlestick park since last night. our reporter is at the scene with that story. what is the latest? >> an update last 15 minutes and a firefighter said this fire is 95 percent out and the 5 percent is still putting off a lot of smoke. the fire is in a pile 100 yards long. recology says there are basic building material where contractors come to dump items like sheet rock and lumber. i asked the firefighter if it was t
president obama honored his legacy. >> nelson mandela taught us the power of action and ideas. the response of of reason and argument, and the reason to study those would you agree with and those who you do not agree. >> 90 countries glue -- sent in representatives from argentina to being pakistan. memorials large and small to the man who triumphed over apartheid. >> the morning cries but we must celebrate the life of a great leader. >> after today's memorial his body...
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and i think this is barack obama that kind of opened up to the spirit nelson mandela who, after all, was one of the most warmest, congenial, open politicians. you know, obama himself has been criticized as being colder and not as open. and the thing about mandela is the lesson that all politicians can learn from him is that while kefs very strategic, he was also very open, kept his enemies close and was also never too busy for the people. >> yeah. i mean, when i met him in cape town, south africa, back in 199 at the presidential residence, he was still president of south africa, he took me around. couldn't have been nicer, couldn't have been warmer not just during the formal sitdown interview but privately when we chatted, spoke about family and other things, he was a very, very impressive dignified man. >> and you have to wonder whether we're ever going to see the likes of any kind of an inspirational iconic political figure like that again. >> yeah. >> we just don't -- >> he was unique. we will miss him. gloria, thanks very much. the president, by the way, is getting ready to leave
and i think this is barack obama that kind of opened up to the spirit nelson mandela who, after all, was one of the most warmest, congenial, open politicians. you know, obama himself has been criticized as being colder and not as open. and the thing about mandela is the lesson that all politicians can learn from him is that while kefs very strategic, he was also very open, kept his enemies close and was also never too busy for the people. >> yeah. i mean, when i met him in cape town,...
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than he does with barack obama. mandela had much more in common with clarence thomas. and a lot of conservatives. >> i'm not too good on limbaugh lingo, so could you interpret? >> remember this is the same guy who was attacking the pope. he thinks he understands christianity better than the head of the catholic church. but limbaugh, obviously, this is part of the concerted effort to take down some of our greatest heroes. i think about it this way going back to the santorum comment. if you go back to what the word apartheid means. apartness. it was all about separating and dividing people. that's what this republican party has been about for the last several years. >> and castigating and demonizing people. because on the very same station, the very same day that o'reilly was calling mr. mandela a communist last night, another fox news personality said about president obama on the same network, now, just hours earlier, listen to this. >> more class warfare, more radical wealth redistribution because this is who he is.
than he does with barack obama. mandela had much more in common with clarence thomas. and a lot of conservatives. >> i'm not too good on limbaugh lingo, so could you interpret? >> remember this is the same guy who was attacking the pope. he thinks he understands christianity better than the head of the catholic church. but limbaugh, obviously, this is part of the concerted effort to take down some of our greatest heroes. i think about it this way going back to the santorum comment....
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president obama and mrs. obama left washington this morning, joined on air force one by former president george w. bush and his wife. former presidents clinton and carter also will attend. there's been more unrest in the central african republic, as gunmen refuse to give up their weapons to french troops. the french patrolled the capital city today, trying to disarm rival muslim and christian fighters who killed 400 people over the weekend. we'll have a report from the c.a.r. later in the program. the prime minister of thailand called for new elections today, in the face of protests against her rule. the opposition has accused her of corruption, insisting again she must go. john sparks of "independent television news" reports from bangkok. >> reporter: protest leaders called it the day of reckoning. a time to do-or-die. when their call was answered on the streets of bangkok by more than 150,000 people. and each one seemed determined to topple the thai government. >> we've got to get them out. we're playing ou
president obama and mrs. obama left washington this morning, joined on air force one by former president george w. bush and his wife. former presidents clinton and carter also will attend. there's been more unrest in the central african republic, as gunmen refuse to give up their weapons to french troops. the french patrolled the capital city today, trying to disarm rival muslim and christian fighters who killed 400 people over the weekend. we'll have a report from the c.a.r. later in the...
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president obama thanked the people of south africa for sharing nelson mandela with the world. and speaking now, he also paid tribute to the people of south africa and the family of mandela, who had to share this great man with the rest of the world. this has been full, this stadium. behind zuma right now, you can see the orange seats. basically a lot of the stadium is emptying right now. it's the end of the ceremonies and the rain and the security concerns played some part in a slightly thinner crowd than what was expected. >> behind president obama, however, it was full. >> it was. >> and people were dancing. there was a lot of revelry going on. >> there was. >> is it too much? are we overstating that when somebody passes you want to lionize them, make them even greater than they were? do you believe you can do that with nelson mandela? >> here is the thing. there will be people who say it's too much, both in south africa and around the world, in the united states, et cetera. the what we're reflecting is what south africa is doing, which is saying good-bye in a very prolonged
president obama thanked the people of south africa for sharing nelson mandela with the world. and speaking now, he also paid tribute to the people of south africa and the family of mandela, who had to share this great man with the rest of the world. this has been full, this stadium. behind zuma right now, you can see the orange seats. basically a lot of the stadium is emptying right now. it's the end of the ceremonies and the rain and the security concerns played some part in a slightly thinner...
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at one point, president obama said nelson mandela makes me want to be a better man. you mentioned raul castro, of course, with nearly 100 world leaders gathered at this event, there were bound to be surprises. raul castro was on the diaz and speaking, as well as president obama. it would have been sort the of impolite. it would have been kind of a slap, really, if the president had gone up on stage and not greeted the cuban leader. that's par for the course at these types of events. as you also know, carol, he embraced president russov of brazil, a country that has been steamed at the united states because of those surveillance issues. he is headed away from the stadium and headed back to a rendezvous point before heading back to the united states. carol? >> going back to that handshake, maybe scottie can put it back up on the screen, the handshake between president obama and raul castro. quote, we have to reject the policies we put into place in 1961. in other words, it's time to end the nation's cold war standoff with cuba. i know what you said about this handshake
at one point, president obama said nelson mandela makes me want to be a better man. you mentioned raul castro, of course, with nearly 100 world leaders gathered at this event, there were bound to be surprises. raul castro was on the diaz and speaking, as well as president obama. it would have been sort the of impolite. it would have been kind of a slap, really, if the president had gone up on stage and not greeted the cuban leader. that's par for the course at these types of events. as you also...
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nelson was dealing with it in a very inspirational way, treating barack obama the black and white on an equal basis. i'm not sure his successors have been able to do that. if i can impart one lesson to a new business owner, it would be one thing i've learned is my philosophy is real simple american express open forum is an on-line community, that helps our members connect and share ideas to make smart business decisions. if you mess up, fess up. be your partners best partner. we built it for our members, but it's open for everyone. there's not one way to do something. no details too small. american express open forum. this is what membership is. this is what membership does. hands for holding. feet, kicking. better things than the joint pain and swelling of moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. if you're trying to manage your ra, now may be the time to ask about xeljanz. xeljanz (tofacitinib) is a small pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes f
nelson was dealing with it in a very inspirational way, treating barack obama the black and white on an equal basis. i'm not sure his successors have been able to do that. if i can impart one lesson to a new business owner, it would be one thing i've learned is my philosophy is real simple american express open forum is an on-line community, that helps our members connect and share ideas to make smart business decisions. if you mess up, fess up. be your partners best partner. we built it for...
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president barack obama is directly tied to president nelson mandela. >> you said they only met once, when? >> it was in 2005. barack obama was a freshman senator. he was driving and he got a call that said, nelson mandela is at the hotel. do you want to meet him? they got to the four seasons and the guy thought, maybe i should grab the camera. they are going up the elevator to the suite and he notices that the battery light is blinking. so, they walk in and mandela is reclining underneath the window with his legs propped up and obama went up to shake his hand and david got a couple of pictures and then the camera died. that picture is hanging up in the residence at the white house, in his office. it is framed in the oval office and it was framed in mandela's study. >> i think the president is right, we will probably never see his like again. to be in jail for 27 years and come out without bitterness is extraordinary. when we return, we will talk about the november jobs report. ♪ >> welcome back. we will get to margaret colson and ramesh ponnuru in a moment but first rich miller is
president barack obama is directly tied to president nelson mandela. >> you said they only met once, when? >> it was in 2005. barack obama was a freshman senator. he was driving and he got a call that said, nelson mandela is at the hotel. do you want to meet him? they got to the four seasons and the guy thought, maybe i should grab the camera. they are going up the elevator to the suite and he notices that the battery light is blinking. so, they walk in and mandela is reclining...
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president barack obama is directly tied to president nelson mandela. >> you said they only met once, when? >> it was in 2005. barack obama was a freshman senator. he was driving and he got a call that said, nelson mandela is at the hotel. do you want to meet him? they got to the four seasons and the guy thought, maybe i should grab the camera. they are going up the elevator to the suite and he notices that the battery light is blinking. so, they walk in and mandela is reclining underneath the window with his legs propped up and obama went up to shake his hand and david got a couple of pictures and then the camera died. that picture is hanging up in the residence at the white house, in his office. it is framed in the oval office and it was framed in mandela's study. >> i think the president is right, we will probably never see his like again. to be in jail for 27 years and come out without bitterness is extraordinary. when we return, we will talk about the november jobs report. ♪ >> welcome back. we will get to margaret colson and ramesh ponnuru in a moment but first rich miller is
president barack obama is directly tied to president nelson mandela. >> you said they only met once, when? >> it was in 2005. barack obama was a freshman senator. he was driving and he got a call that said, nelson mandela is at the hotel. do you want to meet him? they got to the four seasons and the guy thought, maybe i should grab the camera. they are going up the elevator to the suite and he notices that the battery light is blinking. so, they walk in and mandela is reclining...
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president obama today remembering an icon and his mentor, nelson mandela in south africa.
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. >> in a stadium built for sporting events gathered a crowd to celebrate the life of one man, nelson mandela. president obama joined dozens of world leaders both past and present, honoring the man that led south africa away from apartheid. inside for the moments honoring mandela. >> 6:00 a.m., in the stadium known as soccer city is quiet and empty, and then suddenly it isn't. the gates open and the energy floods in. pouring rain driving the arrival of the covered upper deck. where they have no problem staying warm. and no doubts about why they are here. >> that will make history. >> 800 miles from cape town to dancing the aisles anyone like this anywhere. so yeah, this is my final. >> in the stadium hallways roving bands of singers sweep people up with it. >> and gather outside in circles of noise and joy. >> we have been asking people all week long, whether this is a time of sadness or celebration, and on this day, the answer is clear. >> the rain never lets up, and of course it doesn't matter. >> in prison for 27 years just to be in the rain, come on. he has done so much more for u
. >> in a stadium built for sporting events gathered a crowd to celebrate the life of one man, nelson mandela. president obama joined dozens of world leaders both past and present, honoring the man that led south africa away from apartheid. inside for the moments honoring mandela. >> 6:00 a.m., in the stadium known as soccer city is quiet and empty, and then suddenly it isn't. the gates open and the energy floods in. pouring rain driving the arrival of the covered upper deck. where...
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president obama explained how he personally was influenced by nelson mandela. >> we'll not likely see the likes of nelson mandela again, so it falls to us as best we cuss to forward the example he set, to make decisions made not by hate, but by love. never discount the difference that one person can make. to strive for a future that is worthy of his sacrifice. >>> only moments ago, the british prime minister, david cameron, said this -- >> tonight one of the brightest lights of our world has gone out. nelson mandela was not just a hero of our time, but a hero of all time. the first president of a free south africa, a man who suffered so much for freedom and justice, and a man who through his dignity and through his triumph, inspired millions. the strongest impression of all, when you met him, was of his extraordinary compassion and generosity and forgiveness. tonight families across britain will mourn with his family, and everything in south africa. your greatest son has moved millions, and i believe that his inspiration for the future will be every bit as powerful as the extraordinar
president obama explained how he personally was influenced by nelson mandela. >> we'll not likely see the likes of nelson mandela again, so it falls to us as best we cuss to forward the example he set, to make decisions made not by hate, but by love. never discount the difference that one person can make. to strive for a future that is worthy of his sacrifice. >>> only moments ago, the british prime minister, david cameron, said this -- >> tonight one of the brightest...
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nelson mandela was great friends with bill clinton and barack obama and he was friends with gaddafi and castro. he's like the man of the year, nelson mandela, the time of all this global strife he still has a role as healing agent, bringing different people together on stage. >> and that's in fact something that mandela's former personal assistant said, tomorrow people should all be honoring their relationship with madiba, if it means shaking hands with the enemy, yes, i would like to see that. that is what nelson mandela was and is bringing people together despite their differences. i guess that's the point is what could be more of a tribute to nelson mandela than people who'd normally would not talk, talking, and i'm not saying they have to be embracing or back slapping or even smiling, but talking. that would, i, might argue, be the greatest trigg tribute to nelson mandela that could you have at a nelson mandela memorial. >> you know how we have our state of the union addresses. and everybody watches the body language. obviously that's going to be a big part of the drama tomorrow is
nelson mandela was great friends with bill clinton and barack obama and he was friends with gaddafi and castro. he's like the man of the year, nelson mandela, the time of all this global strife he still has a role as healing agent, bringing different people together on stage. >> and that's in fact something that mandela's former personal assistant said, tomorrow people should all be honoring their relationship with madiba, if it means shaking hands with the enemy, yes, i would like to see...